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F I D O N E W S -- | Vol. 8 No. 28 (15 July 1991) The newsletter of the | FidoNet BBS community | Published by: _ | / \ | "FidoNews" BBS /|oo \ | (415)-863-2739 (_| /_) | FidoNet 1:1/1 _`@/_ \ _ | Internet: | | \ \\ | fidonews@fidonews.fidonet.org | (*) | \ )) | |__U__| / \// | Editors: _//|| _\ / | Tom Jennings (_/(_|(____/ | Tim Pozar (jm) | ----------------------------+--------------------------------------- Published weekly by and for the Members of the FidoNet international amateur network. Copyright 1991, Fido Software. All rights reserved. Duplication and/or distribution permitted for noncommercial purposes only. For use in other circumstances, please contact FidoNews. Paper price: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $5.00US Electronic Price: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . free! For more information about FidoNews refer to the end of this file. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Table of Contents 1. EDITORIAL ..................................................... 1 Tom's Bit ..................................................... 1 2. FIDONET NEWS .................................................. 2 3. ARTICLES ...................................................... 3 10th ARRL Amateur Radio Computer Networking Conference ........ 3 GAAAAARGH! A look at FidoNews ................................ 7 NetMail Encryption Utility .................................... 9 Opus Catalog of Amazing Things ................................ 10 Consumption And Prosperity: One Pagan's POV ................... 11 Satanism ...................................................... 14 Whose Vote Is it? ............................................. 16 4. RANTS AND FLAMES .............................................. 18 5. CLASSIFIEDS ................................................... 19 For Sale SIMMs, Camera, Laser, Touch Screens .................. 19 6. NOTICES ....................................................... 20 The Interrupt Stack ........................................... 20 Fantasy Sports Echo Available ................................. 20 7. LATEST VERSIONS ............................................... 22 Latest Software Versions ...................................... 22 FidoNews 8-28 Page 1 15 Jul 1991 ====================================================================== EDITORIAL ====================================================================== by Tom Jennings First a reminder from TJ -- I will be out of town until 1 Aug 1991. Tim Pozar is acting as editor (he's on the masthead, in case you didn't notice). He can be reached at 1:125/555. Articles etc. still go to 1:1/1. Probably most of the projects I initiated are on hold until I return. 'Salright, we lasted this long without them. Hey! Bye! Have a nice trip! (Wait... that's your line!) [I'm still here Tom.... And you're not... :-) - Tim] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- FidoNews 8-28 Page 2 15 Jul 1991 ====================================================================== FIDONET NEWS ====================================================================== ################################################################ FidoNetNews -- a weekly section devoted to technical and factual issues within the FidoNet -- FidoNet Technical Standards Committee reports, *C reports, information on FidoNet standards documents and the like. ################################################################ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- FidoNews 8-28 Page 3 15 Jul 1991 ====================================================================== ARTICLES ====================================================================== 10th ARRL Amateur Radio Computer Networking Conference 27-29 September 1991 Radisson Airport Hotel San Jose, CA The Northern California Packet Association (NCPA) is hosting this year's ARRL Computer Networking Conference and invites you to attend. Glenn Tenney, AA6ER, is the local conference chairperson. Hams from around the world will be presenting papers on what they're working on in packet radio. The presentations and papers might cover any subject from satellites to spread spectrum, from protocols to hardware, or any other topic related to how hams are, or will be networking In addition to the usual presentation of papers all day Saturday, this year's conference will be surrounded by other interesting and informative activities. See the agenda inside to see what we have planned for Friday and Sunday. You won't want to miss any of this. Send in the attached registration right now, and contact the ARRL for an author's packet. How to Submit Papers The deadline for receipt of camera-ready papers is 12 August. If you're going to submit a paper, you should contact Lori Weinberg at ARRL, 225 Main Street, Newington, CT 06111, telephone 203-666- 1541, fax at 203-665-7531. Lori is handling the arrangements for the proceedings. How to Register for the Conference Please use the attached conference pre-registration form to register for the tutorials, main conference, and the dinners. We are working with a VERY tight budget and would appreciate receiving your registration and check at the earliest possible date. We have already had to make quite a commitment to the hotel, and catering is asking for a commitment which requires a close attendance count. Make your checks payable to "Fantasia Systems Inc." and mail them to AA6ER at: Glenn Tenney, AA6ER; Fantasia Systems Inc.; 2111 Ensenada Way; San Mateo, CA 94403 (the address is also on the form). Hotel Reservations FidoNews 8-28 Page 4 15 Jul 1991 We've arranged an attractive room rate of $69 per night, plus tax, for single or double occupancy. You'll have to make your hotel reservations early as the number of rooms blocked out for us is limited. Call the Radisson Hotel directly at (800) 333- 3333 to make your reservation. You'll need to tell them your reservation is for the "ARRL CNC" to access our block of rooms. The way hotels work, it will help us meet our budget if our block of rooms is used up. Transportation The conference hotel is located near to the San Jose International airport which supports both commercial and general aircraft. The Radisson Hotel offers shuttle service to and from the airport. Be sure to ask about the shuttle service when you make your hotel reservation. In an effort to save you money, we've selected American Airlines as the official airline for the conference. What this means is that you can receive discount air fares (eg. from within the U.S., 5% off the lowest published applicable fare). You'll have to contact American Airlines directly for details. Call their Meeting Services Desk at (800) 433-1790 and refer to Star #S47Z14A. Since San Jose is an American Airlines' hub, you should find it very convenient. The Agenda We're still improving and tweaking the agenda, but here's the agenda as it stands right now: Friday, 27 September 13:00 - 17:00: In-Depth Tutorials Three concurrent in-depth technical sessions will be available. These planned "tutorials" are expected to include: Digital Signal Processing; Spread Spectrum and Part 15; and Packet Satellites. The speakers selected will be those currently working on the leading edge of these technologies. These sessions will allow the subjects to be covered in depth and right down to the bits and bytes level. These sessions are priced separately, and will include handouts and a mid-afternoon break. 19:00 - 21:30: Dinner Instead of everyone trying to find a pizza place that can handle fifty or a couple of hundred people, we've decided to have a very special group dinner. As an option you can sign up for the Friday evening dinner and join everyone for a LUAU! Yes, a real honest to goodness luau! This should be an ideal time for everyone to relax. We expect that most of you will join us, even if you aren't attending the tutorials. This will be right at the hotel, so you won't have to drive anywhere. After dinner we expect to have some informal BOF sessions. FidoNews 8-28 Page 5 15 Jul 1991 Saturday, 28 September 08:30 - 17:00: Presentation of CNC Papers This is the traditional part of the conference. As in past years we'll be gathering up all of the papers submitted for presentation, and divide them into the time available. Everyone will have a chance to present a paper. The published proceedings and lunch (at noon) are included in the conference fee. 18:30 - 21:00: Dinner The CNC doesn't stop at dinner. We've arranged an optional dinner at the hotel complete with a guest speaker. At this time, we don't know who will be the banquet speaker, but based on some of the names we're discussing, you won't want to miss this! 21:00 - 24:00: BOF sessions Ten or fifteen minutes per paper really isn't enough, so we've planned break-out rooms for "Birds Of a Feather" sessions. During the day we'll have sign-up sheets so that discussion groups can form and really get into topics of greatest interest. Sunday, 29 September: As usual, the digital committee will have their business meeting Sunday morning from 09:00 until 12:00. But that's not all... We're going to have a demo room available from about 09:00 until 13:00. We're hoping that you'll be able to bring a rig with you to show off your latest work. We may also have some exhibitors. But wait, that's still not all... We're going to present various newcomer tutorials from 10:00 until 13:00. These tutorials may be for the first-time packet user, while others might be for the first- time TCP/IP user. These tutorials will help folks learn more about various aspects of packet radio. The demo/exhibit room and newcomer tutorials will be open to all hams and prospective hams whether signed up for the rest of the conference or not. And finally, the San Jose Technology Center is a short light-rail ride away and they have a fantastic high-tech museum called The Garage. Although a trip to the garage isn't an official part of the CNC, we're sure a large group will be planning a visit on Sunday. We'll try to help plan this outing during the conference. We'll likely work out a late morning trip and an early afternoon trip. 73, Glenn Tenney, AA6ER Fantasia Systems Inc. 2111 Ensenada Way San Mateo, CA 94403 FidoNews 8-28 Page 6 15 Jul 1991 Voice: (415) 574-3420 Fax: (415) 574-0546 UUCP/Internet: tenney@well.sf.ca.us CompuServe: 70641,23 = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Registration Form = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Name: ________________________________________ Address: ________________________________________ ________________________________________ ________________________________________ Call:__________ Telephone:____________________ We're printing a roster, should we keep you out of the roster (yes means you will not be in the roster)? __________ Do you want vegetarian or special meals, if so what? _______________ Will you be presenting a paper? __________ Add up the fees for each person for each event (guests are encouraged). We have to pre-pay most of our costs a month before the conference, so please hurry. Friday afternoon tutorials: $30 now, $40 after August 20th Quantity: _____ Total $:________ Friday night Luau: $35 now, $45 after August 20th Quantity: _____ Total $:________ Saturday conference (all day) $30 now, $40 after August 20th Quantity: _____ Total $:________ Saturday banquet (with speaker): $30 now, $40 after August 20th Quantity: _____ Total $:________ Total Fee: $ __________ Please make your check payable to: Fantasia Systems Inc. Mail the form and check to: Glenn Tenney, AA6ER Fantasia Systems Inc. 2111 Ensenada Way San Mateo, CA 94403 FidoNews 8-28 Page 7 15 Jul 1991 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- GAAAAARGH! A look at FidoNews, with both eyes shut Billy Cash III - Programmer's Connection BBS - 1:226/70.0 FidoNews is the battleground of FidoNet. Everyone screams and yells and hollers, and when somebody else tries to talk, they scream louder! I love this -- but what's especially funny is the utmost degree of seriousness some people take things to. * Of course we have the weirdo Satanists and renegade Christians firing shots at each other, calling Christianity a cult and Satanism a religion, then vice versa, which is an absolute riot. * We have the bureaucracy wars, but we pretend to be an efficient electronic society, so there aren't any paper forms to hurl around. Maybe they'll start throwing Hector Santos and his Express Forms package at each other, instead. * Then there are the bodily-organ-people, as in "An NC Vents His Spleen." This is not all that different from what I saw in the supermarket tabloids yesterday -- "South America's ZEC Eats Own Liver!" Unfortunately, all these strange loud-mouthed people are turning me off. I used to read this for the new echo announcements -- there was one this week, hardly nothing, but there were three arguements for pagan animal slaughter or whatever, and GMD enjoyed free publicity. I wound up writing someone for a copy of Grunged Mail Detector to play with. For this reason, I propose a new newsletter. We'd call it BabbleNews, and it would consist of that week's FidoNews run through this meat-grinder-for-text program I have. Here are a few excerpts from BabbleNews 8.27. Snooze and another 23 days from Tony Davis's much vaunted GMD 2.09 specifically allows for want for receiving such a number of the higher levels of mine from a night because it appeared in my expenses, and since I am aware prior to deliver it is. It's Tim's turn -- a member of any understanding of articles. It takes time it was honored. Where I will address the various drafts as well as a better term "7 the Sending us in recent weeks and would have not a member of policeman and 6 Any message I had never been provided an intake workers." Until FTSC releases an ugly undercurrent has been FidoNews 8-28 Page 8 15 Jul 1991 suggested by the process! So that is being ABUSED by Tom Hall: First a few Mods and make every "Robot messages in the problem the sysop of a robot" on the backbone money, Cs, I noticed that the "Users the performance of all about. What I ENCOURAGE any article." A GroupMail conference, DELIVERING it will address the first seemed. I have not be prudent or constructively inform me, enhance or a large number of the lip robot message. Therefore I am fairly significant increase in creating a number of routing scheme are not filtered down to the GMD 1.28 by Tom Hall As it has been suggested by Mr. Johnstone, and keeping in which he can indeed be something that I call your attention to spend a deterrant to me hasten to my net which I needed for the sudden influx of my net, it. The GMD 1.68 by. I am trying to allow exceptions for something to this hobby is not "BOP" actually go THIS way back a mailer and John Johnson 666/456. These files on 08 message: The anarchist on the least warn people on the best shot. FidoNetNews -- I should have little if you didn't notice. So berated for the decision making process by Tom Hall "Low-priority mail which do my duty as we were bringing in the sysop with every Backbone Operation Procedures 8.60 will and Fidonews, or origin lines were appearing with the process." A number of late, but we connect, it was being so far the moderators, in his opinion that GMD 9.97 is apparently from my nickel. Now, and I'm bothered by Tim Pozar This "Backbone did not had been received. It came into the largest single person on, in this: 2 GMD watchdog went WOOF, the coordinating structure has said a better term, then create 731 inbound messages were addressed to be available in that want to think needs to stop some discretion over WHAT mail" actually wrote to be made me for file request from 0 Aug 2286. Unfortunately, I don't feel that such an intake workers, as a significant impact on, or FidoNews 8-28 Page 9 15 Jul 1991 two recent examples from this group small so that would have to draw any, had 41, enhance or constructively inform the anarchist on the seat of social justice. The only go to get such an NC Vents His Spleen. See how much of a difference it makes? I'll bet it's the Satanic organ transplant bureaucrats' mother tongue! 'Til death do us part, Billy Cash III Columbus, Ohio ---------------------------------------------------------------------- by: Chris Farrar 1:246/20 FidoNet 89:488/20 IMEX 69:3001/1 AdultLinks A review of MRCYPT 1.10 Author: Eric Jacksch 1:163/111 A few issues ago there was an article dealing with the program PGP (Pretty Good Privacy) for encryption of mail packets to allow people to read and write private encrypted mail. There is another program that will let you run encrypted netmail packets that requires no extra work other than inserting the command to run the program in the batch file that runs your system. MCRYPT will encrypt the contents of a NetMail (it will not run on echo areas) message, leaving all ^aKludge lines and message headers unaffected. In its non-registered version the program is run using command line switches to tell it what address you want it to encrypt from and what address you wish to ecnrypt to. You must run the program multiple times to encrypt for different addresses. Once the program is registered, you receive a small Key file and the program will read all its data out of a control file, and encrypt to multiple addresses, using different, case sensitive, passwords/encryption keys. Additionally, the current version of MCRYPT has the ability to run mail though external garbling utilities, such as ROT13, JIVE, and PatSpeak. Handy if you wish to express displeasure at the new GMD, as you can use a mail robot such as MBOUNCE to return the messages, and run them through Jive to show how you really feel. While it is currently against FidoNet policy to route encrypted mail though systems without their prior approval, other more enlightened networks have no objection. Also, the routing of encrypted mail, in some countries, may actually decrease possible legal responsibilities as you can show that you route/forward any and all netmail that is in transit through your system, and to the best of your knowledge there was no illegal content in the messages. FidoNews 8-28 Page 10 15 Jul 1991 A copy of MCRYPT is always available for File Requesting from the author's system 1:163/111 (Ottawa, Ontario) or from my system which is a beta test site. On both systems the magic name is MCRYPT. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- by Keith Ford (1:373/12) Introducing OCAT About 15 months ago, I became an Opus CBCS sysop. Along the path from then to now I have had help from many people and from many pieces of software. Now, as I gaze out over the Meadow, I notice others asking the questions I had once asked. So I have decided to do a little something to pass on those many favors I have received. OCAT, the Opus Catalog of Amazing Things, is a listing of available utilities and helpful files that an Opus sysop might find useful. The only files that would not be useful are those that are "very" specific to another bbs package. I quote the word very because some software can be used in unique ways. For example Waffle can be run as a door for Usenet access. OCAT will be a living database, much like the software list at the end of each FidoNews. The database itself will be available in a number of formats. You can file request the magic word OCAT from my board at 1:373/12 (HST/V32bis) which will give more information should you be interested. The purpose of this letter is to solicit response from authors that have items they wish to include in OCAT. Following is a simple form that you can complete and send to me. And remember, send updates as you make them available. Program Name : (1) Version : (2) Opus Version : (3) Release Date : (4) Release Filename : (5) Software Class : (6) Author : (7) Fidonet : (8) Other : (9) Keywords : (10) Description : (11) Description of items listed in the form above. 1. Name that the program is known as. If your program name is an FidoNews 8-28 Page 11 15 Jul 1991 acronym, you should use what is most common. For example, OBUL is Opus Bulletin Utilization Language, but it is most commonly called OBUL (oh bull :-). 2. Version number of program for this description. 3. Version of Opus this program supports. (e.g. 1.0x, 1.2x, any) 4. Date author released this version. 5. Filename, without extension, author used for released program. 6. Type of software: Commercial Public Domain (all rights released) Freeware (no fee, some rights reserved) Shareware (fee for continued usage) Crippleware (fee required to enable all features) Nagware (fee required to turn off annoying screens) 7. Author's name. 8. Author's fidonet address for correspondence. 9. Other addresses for author. (Usenet, US Mail, phone, etc.) 10. Words that categorize the program, useful for quick searches. 11. Paragraph description of programs function, usage, requirements, compatibility and such. Might also include where the program is available, if it has a freq magic word, if source is included, and anything else that might be useful to readers. Thanks for listening! -kef/MM- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- =========================== == == == On Prosperity == == anonymously submitted == == == =========================== I keep reminding myself of how good I really have it. I have a lovely little house; I drive a late model car. I can make financial contributions to organizations like Circle or the local hospital when they ask. Life is good. And yet, I sometimes succumb to the temptation of playing the "I don't have enough" game. I don't have enough to buy that 100 acre parcel of forest land that I really want. I don't have enough to take the cruise down the Rhine and the Danube that my mother is treating herself to. If I make up a list I could probably come up with a number of ways to blow my first million within a month. (These things take time, you know. It's no secret that this is a consumer oriented society. I find it fascinating to read in the papers where an economist says, in a three inch column article, "Save more, save more!" while the full page ad across from it screams "spend more, spend more!" Is it any wonder why people pick the latter course? I think that shopping has become a substitute for sex for some people. FidoNews 8-28 Page 12 15 Jul 1991 The interesting thing that I see is the position of the Pagan community vis a vis money. On the one hand we reject the nature of the modern economic system, the Wage Slavery that people subject themselves to for a half-century of their life span. We don't agree that any human has the right to buy and sell a precious resource like land. On the other hand, I see great interest in actually buying the land, assuming that we hit the lottery next week. After all, who makes the kind of money to buy land out in the country? As funny as this may sound, this article began with my diet. I have been on my diet for over a decade now. My weight has varied with the seasons, but I have managed to lose about fifty pounds. Now I am stuck at a plateau, hopefully the last plateau ever. I have come to recognize that, in order to lose the last ten pounds I want to lose that I will have to understand more fully the nature of my appetite. For years I have been under the impression that I had to eat until I was full. That was the nature of the beast. That was how I came to be 245 pounds. My family had a term: we called ourselves the Beef Trust, and all the members were at least six feet and 200 pounds. I was proud to be a member. Then I discovered that you didn't have to eat in this fashion. You could stop when you were no longer hungry. You didn't have to fill up. Lo and behold, whenever I would eat in this way, the pounds would melt off. Then a party weekend, or a weekend with the family, would come along and I'd balloon back up again. It has been a struggle. Which brings me back to the topic at hand. It seems that Americans are trained to eat until we are full. If it's not food, it's a new car, new clothing, or the latest in compact disk players. The old programming is still there. We may deny it aloud, but parts of us still want the Good Life, as evidenced by L.L. Bean and five acres of land. Most Pagans I know are doing okay and would like to be doing better. I know of one Pagan Prosperity group, and even a Pagan investment club. But, despite all the interest being shown, there doesn't seem to be much progress in anyone's finances. If we are capable of so much magick, why not? First, it seems that many Pagans just don't believe that magick works in the "real world." Bulls**t! Magick works in Assiah, as this plane is known in the Qabalistic system, as well as in any other, if you understand the rules. Rule number one is that the denser the plane, the more energy and time are required to effect changes. FidoNews 8-28 Page 13 15 Jul 1991 How many of us have met others who "only work up on the planes?" Isn't this just another way of saying I can't cope with the real world, that I can't have things my way, so I'll just ignore it? Let's look at an example, namely our dwelling places. Have you ever walked into someone's house and had your skin start to crawl as you scoped out the downstairs: dirty dishes and pizza boxes strewn about the living room, roaches crawling around the dining room, a green scum encrusting the kitchen sink. And then there's the upstairs: a bathtub that still has standing water from the hairball that lodged in the drain last week, a catbox full to overflowing from an indignant cat, laundry strewn from one end of the bedroom to the other. That was my house, once upon a time. Those that know me now (my wife included) find it hard to believe the circumstances that I lived in more than a decade ago, but, admittedly, it is true. I was a lazy slob. Of course, my house now is not the cleanest, but I am not ashamed if we have company drop in. It took me a decade to recognize that the condition of my house is a reflection of my mind and my magick. There is a term that comes from the Qabala and ceremonial magick that reflects this. It is called the Master of the Temple. (As a side note for students of language, I might mention that "Master" refers to one who has mastered, and can be either male or female.) Mastery must be absolute. One small leak will allow a large amount of manna to escape. Our dwelling is, in a very real sense, our temple. Therefore, if we are not in control, Masters, of our Temple, we are not in control of our magick. The same is true of my body. If I look at it with a sigh and say, if only I could do something about it, then I am admitting that my magick is for nought in Assiah. Start out small. Go for a walk every day. Start to jog. Take up swimming. Get control of your diet. It will take time, a year or more, but in the end, the control that is gained is worth the price in discipline. All your magicks will gain more power as you gain power in the Kingdom. I might mention that the state of your house or body that makes you happy is not the same as what makes your neighbor happy. If you have three kids, it's going to be a big struggle just to keep the house picked up after them. If you're fifty years old, you have a different set of body expectations than the twenty year old gymnast down the hall. The second rule for making magick in Assiah is that convincing people is the easiest way to get things done. One person could hardly have flown to the moon. A crew of thousands did. This is where the art of salesmanship comes in. Look at the War in Vietnam. For several years, anti-war protesters told the rest of the American public that the War was wrong. And, for all those years, American involvement kept creeping up and the rest of society looked at the protesters as kooks and Communists. The tide of public opinion did not turn until four Americans were martyred at Kent State, plus two more at Jackson State in FidoNews 8-28 Page 14 15 Jul 1991 Mississippi. Only then did Americans stop, pinch themselves, and realize the bad dream they had been having. Only then did the Vietnam War come to an end. Why didn't the protesters have more of an effect on the American public? They broke the basic rules of salesmanship. They said, "You're wrong. You're doing something evil and stupid." Of course, John and Joan Public do not like being told that they are evil and stupid (for so they heard it), especially when they had been told all their lives that it is the right and courageous thing to do. The right way to approach salesmanship is to complement the customer, to show how smart and intelligent the customer is for turning his or her ear in this direction. Surely so discerning a person can see the advantages in my product. In this case, the product does not have to be a thing. It can just as easily be an idea or philosophy. It is only when the public is sold on the idea that the environment will be cleaned up. Do you want to make a lot of money? Find a product that you like, a product that you yourself are sold on, enough so that you own and use it yourself. Then go out and sell it to others. There's only one more thing to be said about prosperity. I've mentioned the concepts of fullness and not being hungry, but perhaps the answer lies in a different concept altogether. Perhaps it is not the quantity at all that makes the difference, but the quality. Maybe what we should do is practice being satisfied with what we have. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Satanism by Steve Hayes of 5:7101/20 P.O. Box 7648, Pretoria, 0001 South Africa In Fidonews 827 there was an anonymous article about Satanism, which said, among other things: Satanism does not teach that we are the descendants of the incest. According to the Christian bible, we are. Satanism does not regard humans as a devolving species as Chris- tianity does. Satanist's look forward to the next day with promise and hope in life. Christianity looks forward to armageddon, death and destruction. Satanism does not condemn non-baptized children to hell. All that is very questionable indeed. What is satan? Satan is not a name, but a noun. The word means "accuser". According to the Christian Bible the Satan is the public prosecutor (I believe you call it the District Attorney in the USA) in the heavenly court. The Satan takes his job very seriously, and, like many earthly prosecutors, regards a conviction as a success and an aquittal as FidoNews 8-28 Page 15 15 Jul 1991 a failure. He does this to the extent that justice itself is per- verted. When he brings a case against Jesus (who was found guilty in the Jewish court of Caiaphas, and again in the Roman court of Pontius Pilate, but in the court of ultimate appeal Jesus is aquitted), Satan not only loses his case but loses his job, and is tossed out of court by Michael, the chief bouncer. Outside the court he is out to get anyone whom he sees as being in any way connected with his getting fired - and that includes the human race in general, and Christians in particular. What I find difficult to understand is why anyone would want to worship a jumped up prosecutor who thought he could get promoted to judge by perverting the ends of justice, and not caring whether the innocent were punished as long as the guilty did not escape. The Satan wants EVERYONE in hell. Christians have often failed to live up to their faith, and have ranted and flamed and made all kinds of accusations against all kinds of people. That kind of behaviour is indeed satanic, whether it is done by Christians or anyone else, because "satanic" is, by definition, the making of accusations. It is therefore quite possible for Christians to be more satanic than Satanists. But Satanists who don't go round making accusations against people aren't living up to their calling either! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Don Kulha Fido 125/7 Home-made Energy Echo We have a new conference on Homemade Energy echoing around the country and want to invite you folks to join us. Renewable and sustainable energy systems make a lot more sense for our nation and for us as individuals. They open up possibilities in where we can live and work with energy independence and much reduced pollution created for the energy we consume. HOMEPOWR is about these possibilities, and the hard technical aspects of doing it using a hands-on approach dealing with "personal" sized systems. Some of the topics discussed are: Photovoltaic Systems, Wind Power, Hydro generation, Hydrogen generation and fuel cells, Rural Living, Solar Heating (water & air), Battery storage systems and cogeneration. We also post notices of renewable energy events (shows, schools, partys) and associations that promote renewable energy. This conference should be an useful, interesting and appropriate use of our bandwidth. We are currently sending this directly to several other systems around the country and are distributing it direct to two regional hubs. We are in the process of contacting all REC's to ask if they will accept a feed from us for their regions so we hope to have this echo widely available very soon (and eventually on the backbone). Please ask after the HOMEPOWR echo in your area and ask that it be made available if it isn't. FidoNews 8-28 Page 16 15 Jul 1991 The echo is inspired by and loosely (very) affiliated with "Home Power" magazine. They accept no responsibility for whatever mischief we get ourselves into but are supplying us with the text of many articles they've published over the years to post online (to the echo and for download) and will probably participate with us online as soon as we can set them up a node nearby. We will be publishing a list of access points to the echo in various print media which will both promote the echo and make a large pool of practical expertise available. The HOMEPOWR echo will also be going on the road, to the Solar Expo in Willits CA and the Tour de Mendo electric/solar vehicle rally shortly. All in all we think the echo will be quite interesting and invite you to join us! Thanks for your time.....DCK, Moderator HOMEPOWR ---------------------------------------------------------------------- by Alex Baker 1:106/628 Whose vote is it anyway? Ever since the IFNA vote debacle, one thing has troubled me as a lowly sysop. Whenever we have a vote, a failure to vote (otherwise known as an abstention), is counted as a No vote. This method of vote counting almost guarantees the "failure" of any measure placed before the sysops. (Incidentally, it would guarantee the "failure" of almost any measure placed on a public ballot as well.) I enclose failure in quotes, because the only "failure" that occurs, is that the measure fails to pass. ie. Should we keep IFNA? Gee, all those abstentions killed it. Had the measure been worded, shall we disband IFNA, the abstentions would have surely rescued it. Lest we forget what abstain means, I quote Webster's New 20th Century Dictionary, "abstain: in a general sense, to forebear, or refrain from, voluntarily; to refrain from indulgence....." Nowhere does it say, that one agrees, supports, condones, disallows, denies, or prohibits, anything. It says merely that one chooses not to do something, which is in this discussion, is to vote. By counting my abstention on any matter, as a vote for, or a vote against, my abstention, and all the other non-votes are being used without permission for the anti-side. Because one neglects or refuses to vote, it does not mean automatic endorsement for the nay sayers. It could stem from not bothering to keep informed, not caring which way the vote goes, believing that the votes on your side are already sufficient in number, or that the final date to vote sneaked up on the sysop who might just be occupied with something other than a CRT. FidoNews 8-28 Page 17 15 Jul 1991 In the light of recent voting traditions, I would like to propose a vote. Resolved: "That we keep on using abstentions as No votes." All abstentions, will of course, be counted as a vote against this measure. See how easy it is to correct the problem? 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